Template:Did you know nominations/Shagdarjavin Natsagdorj
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The result was: promoted by Bruxton talk 05:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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Shagdarjavin Natsagdorj
- ... that Shagdarjavin Natsagdorj was appointed director of the Institute of History at the Mongolian Academy of Sciences just two years after being accepted as an apprentice there?
- Source: Ishdorj, Ts. (12 September 2008). Шагдаржав Нацагдорж: Их түүхийг эрхэмлэсэн эрдэмтэн [Shagdarjav Natsagdorj: A scientist who values great history] (in Mongolian). Archived from the original on 31 May 2013. Retrieved 16 May 2024.
Created by AirshipJungleman29 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 19 past nominations.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:38, 17 May 2024 (UTC).
New, long enough, wonderfully written, and interesting throughout; QPQ done. The source apparently verifies the hook (I used automatic translation on the Mongolian text), but I cannot determine the quality of the source, as the publisher is not identified -- if it self-published, as it looks, I have reservations about its usability anywhere in the article, and especially for sourcing the hook. Also, assuming the source is reliable: the hook is fun and all, but the article has much more interesting facts, which seem to be quoted to much more reliable sources -- how about something on his refusal to criticize Genghis? Dahn (talk) 18:45, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review Dahn! The source may be self-published, but its author, Ishdorj, Ts., was a reputable Mongolian historian. Now, being a 20th century Mongolian historian means that you're not very prominent on Google, but you can still find evidence of his subject-matter expertise at links such as [1] [2] and [3]. He is also mentioned in a New York Times article and was the recipient of a medal for his contributions to scholarship. After finishing the article, I had actually found more details on his avoidance of censorship, and now we have a new paragraph! As for another hook, how about ALT1: ... that Shagdarjavin Natsagdorj's remarks at an academic conference led to a communist purge and contributed to the Sino-Soviet split? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- I am not doubting Ishdorj's qualifications, but the problem with self-published sources is that they are generally (or universally) below the RS threshold, regardless of who the author is; we generally cannot trust their content to have been edited by anyone, and we technically can't even tell it's an actual article by Ishdorj (it probably is, and as such written in a blog-ish manner, but still...). I won't insist that you remove it from the article, but I would suggest that it should not be used for the front-page hook. Therefore:
for a very interesting ALT1. Dahn (talk) 20:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review Dahn! The source may be self-published, but its author, Ishdorj, Ts., was a reputable Mongolian historian. Now, being a 20th century Mongolian historian means that you're not very prominent on Google, but you can still find evidence of his subject-matter expertise at links such as [1] [2] and [3]. He is also mentioned in a New York Times article and was the recipient of a medal for his contributions to scholarship. After finishing the article, I had actually found more details on his avoidance of censorship, and now we have a new paragraph! As for another hook, how about ALT1: ... that Shagdarjavin Natsagdorj's remarks at an academic conference led to a communist purge and contributed to the Sino-Soviet split? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
